Thursday, October 20, 2005

A burning issue with some folks

The SMH ran a story about an SBS program (for non-Aussies, that's a government owned tv station with a "world" view geared to serving the non-English speaking communities) that will air tonight showing "US soldiers in Afghanistan burnt the bodies of dead Taliban and taunted their opponents about the corpses...."

Boy has that brought the Yank Rambos out of their foxholes:
http://psychoticpatriot.blogspot.com/2005/10/psyops-burning-bodies-video-wtf.html
http://dreadpundit.blogspot.com/2005/10/centcom-responds-to-report-of-taliban.html
http://socalpundit.com/blog/index.php/2005/10/19/liberalism-ties-the-hands-of-soldiers-in-the-war-on-terror/
http://returnoftheconservatives.blogspot.com/2005/10/film-rolls-as-troops-burn-taliban.html

But it was not all seen that way:
http://geniusofinsanityworld.blogspot.com/2005/10/taliban-bodies-burned-by-us-soldiers.html
http://culturelifenewsbreaking.blogspot.com/2005/10/american-soldiers-burn-peasant-and.html

Update and response to comments

To my bloody amazement and amusement, after about 200 posts over the last 3 months, this particular post seems to have attracted so much attention, surpassing the most popular page title by miles. I usually spend a bit of time anticipating and then preparing a post, but this one came about almost accidentally, and completely off-handedly. I was doing my regular Technorati search of smh.com.au and kept noticing the Rambo-esq posts on that SBS/SMH story. I read the SMH daily, but missed the story in the paper, and probably wouldn’t have paid much attention had I seen it.

What struck me was, first, the number of US-based references to the story; most SMH readers/followers are Australian. Next, the “Rambo” ones all seemed to run with the same idea – that the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply to terrorists and therefore terrorists have no rights. Apart from the substance or relevance of that dubious legal proposition, and apart from the shear bloody-mindedness of the posts (one guy said “bring marshmallows”), I was impressed as to how uniform every one of them was and the utter rejection of any sense of concern about the behaviour of the Coalition troops. Did it differ that much from the barbaric hanging of the bodies of the US contractors on that Iraqi bridge? Yes, we can get a bit too precious about the way wars end up getting fought, but is there no sense of proportionality at all? Are no holds barred? Is it ok for us to become as deprived of civil constraint as we like?

I also want to note, and appreciate, the fairly worded comment that the film makers “had an agenda”. Of course they did. They may have been imbedded with an anti-war group, but that does not deny their report any more than the imbedded reports we rely on when watching CNN or Fox or BBC. It is the nature of imbedded reporting that the reports get tainted, but we try to look through that to the facts as best as they can be discerned notwithstanding the taint. (See,
http://guambatstew.blogspot.com/2005/10/hyperbole.html)

Apart from that, I have no comment. I was only making an observation about the commentators on the story, not about the story. I did not watch the SBS report. Crikey, I don’t even recall having read the Herald article, but if I did it wasn’t until after I compiled the post. My interest was in the invective that flowed from the reporting and how such a non-event (as I saw it sitting here) had become such a hot topic of interest and incendiary all the way acrosst the Pacific, and the hit-response to the post just underscores that.


It shows just how bitterly the terrorists have managed to divide us.

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9 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

My sincerest and utmost respect and congratulations go to you for not posting comments on the rambo sites.....

"Someone should ask them [innocent Afghanis] if they were offended by the burning of terrorist bodies and loudspeakers insulting terrorists. Any who say that they were offended should be questioned on suspicion of being terrorists."

And I'll bet he has a hard time wondering why America doesn't just charm the pants off of the rest of the world.

20 October 2005 at 9:01:00 pm GMT+10  
Blogger Tiny Tyrant said...

Too late for me. I couldn't help but 'go a trolling' and leave a comment or two for their derision.

That star wars geek site is a little troublesome, though. Apparently, ya gotta be a 'team member'... say no more.

20 October 2005 at 10:06:00 pm GMT+10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You post a lot of links, but offer no real viewpoint of your own, other than to impugn SMH for its worldview. What _is_ your point? That SMH's government-own, English-speaking worldview somehow makes the burning of Taleban bodies by US troops ok? I doubt that's what you mean, but that's the impression. Whatever the politics of the paper--even if Fox News reported it--bona fide footage of US troops violating the Geneva Conventions is indeed a burning issue.

20 October 2005 at 10:14:00 pm GMT+10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My mistake, you're concerned about the TV network's world view, not the Sydney Morning Herald's. But still...

20 October 2005 at 10:15:00 pm GMT+10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You might be interested to know that the bodies were not burned as part of the PsyOps operation. The PsyOps folks just used that AFTER the fact to try and root out the Taliban fighters that were holed up in the village.

And that's from the "reporters" own original admissions.

You might also as aussie's be interested in who the reporters were:

http://www.jasoncoleman.com/BlogArchives/2005/10/ok_time_to_elaborate_.html

This is a media hack job. One reporter is an anti-war activist and the other may not be an activist, but definately has an adgenda.

--Jason

21 October 2005 at 12:44:00 am GMT+10  
Blogger Handsome B. Wonderful said...

Thanks for the link and for visiting my blog. Cheers!

There is NO EXCUSE for burning the bodies of Muslim fighter whether they are terrorists or not. It is HIGHLY offensive to ALL Muslims ALL over the WORLD!!!

It does not help us, "win the hearts and minds" of the Muslim world as Bush states he wants to do.

21 October 2005 at 1:02:00 am GMT+10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is precisely because of the idotic American media that I search for international stories for www.psychoticpatriot.blogspot.com. Thanks for linking; it's my first. I am a liberal patriot, and I am not surprised that somehow the events have been spun as some kind of anti-war plot, even though the commenter can't deny the events. It's not a war, it's two invasions and two occupations. Thanks again, and the best of luck to you and your compatriots.

21 October 2005 at 1:16:00 am GMT+10  
Blogger Bluto said...

Thanks, Guambat. I love it when folks simply concede the point and move directly to personal insults. Like an ace in tennis. Keep up the work.

21 October 2005 at 2:19:00 am GMT+10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Formerly JPW, still the Psychotic Patriot, thanks the Guambat for the updated info and linkage about this story, now that it has hit the alleged MSM. It's still two invasions and two occupations, based on lies and murderous marketing techniques, the ultimate product placement being the name of the war chiseled into the grave markers of the brave ones lost.

24 October 2005 at 11:17:00 am GMT+10  

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